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Comparative Tables on Revised (New) OROP provided by PCDA (P) to JS (ESW)

Comparative Tables on Revised (New) OROP provided by PCDA (P) to JS (ESW)

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Firstly, you are requested to bear in mind that the contents of this post are reproduced from the RTI request and the reply from DESW.

Secondly, how and the why of the tables and amounts are given where it has been provided in the reply.

Finally, your views may be communicated to the hon’ble RM for inclusion/consideration of the Committee constituted for revision of OROP.

Reply to DEXSW 50750 on Comparative Tables

Online RTI Request Form Details

RTI Request Details:-

RTI Request Registration number DEXSW/R/2019/50750 (also duplicated as No. 50752 due to technical problem with the Online RTI site)

Public Authority Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare

Personal Details of RTI Applicant:-

Name Air Mshl S Y Savur PVSM AVSM retd

Request Details:-

Description of Information Sought

Sir,

Please provide information by way of a photocopy of the Comparative Statement submitted by PCDA (P) Allahabad in the meeting taken by the JS (ESW) on 24.4.2019 as recorded at Para 3 on Page 6 of File number 1(1)/2019/D(Pen/Pol).

2. The information may be provided online if the CPIO so desires.

3. Please enable payment online for additional fees, if any.

Reply received on 20 Aug 2019

SPEED-POST/RTI MATTER

F No. 237/RTI/2014/D (P/P) – Part III
Ministry of Defence
Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare
D (Pen/Policy)

New Delhi, dated 20.08.2019

To,

Subject: Seeking information under RTI Act, 2005 – reg.

Sir,

Please refer to your two online RTI applications bearing Registration No. (1) DEXSW/R /2019/50750 dated 20.7.2019 and (2) DEXSW/R/2019/50752 dated 20.7.2019 received in this office on similar lines on the subject mentioned above.

2. In this connection, please find enclosed a copy of Comparative statement submitted by PCDA (P), Allahabad during the meeting held on 24.04.2019 in the chamber of JS (ESW) consisting of 16 pages.

3. Sh. A. K. Agrawal, Dy Secretary, Room No. 226, B Wing, Sena Bhawan, New Delhi is the first appellate authority.

Encl: As Above

Sd/—————-20/8/19
(Ashok Kumar)
CPIO & Under Secretary (P/P)

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Copy of presentation submitted by PCDA (P) Allahabad during the meeting held on 24.4.19 in the chamber of JS (ESW) by Sh A K Malviya, SAO.

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Slide 1

New OROP

In 7th CPC

If base year is 2018

Slide 2

Hqrs Office requested MoD, the following clarifications for doing preparatory works for next OROP:

(a) Whether same methodology for calculating the OROP rate viz. Average of min & max pension

(b) What is base year from which data of current retirees is to be used.

(c) The date of effect of next round of OROP.

(d) The report of OMJC is pending with MoD, whether any recommendation is to be factored into new calculations.

Slide 3

After OROP, 7th CPC has recommended two formulations without factoring impact of OROP orders

I – multiplying by index factor of 2.57 & revision has been done by PDAs.

II – Notional pay fixation method through PPO.

Slide 4

HQrs office has brought following points to Ministry

I – The notional pay fixation formula brings all past pensioners to current rates, almost as if they are serving under 7th CPC

This is also the formula used in various Court judgments seeking to equate past pensioners with current retirees. For example, Hon’ble Supreme Court judgment in SPS Vains Vs UoI (2008) and in DS Nakara case.

As such it is matter of consideration as to whether any logic exists to initiate the process of OROP once pension of past and current pensioners has been equated w.e.f. 1.1.2016.

Slide 5

II – The notional pay based revision of defence pensioners has commenced. The final pension of past pensioners (as on 1.1.2016) is not available until this is completed. Therefore, data for comparing past pensioners and current pensioner is incomplete to that extent.

III – The application of multiplying factor to OROP pension has created an anomaly whereby past pensioners are drawing higher pension than those who have retired between 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015 and post 1.1.2016 retirees.

If this anomaly turns out to be widespread, the logic of revising pension of past retirees to bring them to the level of current pensioners would not subsist.

Slide 6

Category
Period
No. of Data obtained from EDP
No. of data analysed
No. of cases where OROP is beneficial
ICOs
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
1246
1246
375
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
3296
3296
435
JCOs/ORs
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
57356
53276
27085
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
186381
180765
48647

 

Margin observation in pen: what about those who got OROP?

Slide 7

Contents illegible

Slide 8

JCOs/ORs
Rank, Group & QS Comparison in proposed OROP based on live data
Hav “Y”
QS = 24
Nb Sub “Y”
QS= 26
Sub “Y”
QS =28
Sub Maj “X”
QS = 30
Pension in New OROP based Live data of year 2018
21207
24250
30825
35425
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
20067
26741
31529
36340

 

Slide 9

However the data of ICOs shows reverse pattern as under

ICOs
Ranks & QS
Comparison in Proposed OROP based on live data
May
QS=24
Lt Col
QS=26
Colonel
QS=28
Brigadier
QS=30
Maj Gen
QS=35
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
53000
94100
100900
105850
109100
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
61208
84330
90542
95797
99621

 

Slide 10

Comparative Statement of ICOs retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP Rate

Period
Retired in Post OROP (1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015)
Rank
Total No of Pensioners
No. of pensioners getting less than OROP rate
%
Major
4
3
75.00%
Lt Col
255
197
77.25%
Col (TS)
505
62
12.28%
Colonel
266
32
12.03%
Brigadier
99
3
3.03%
Major General
92
76
82.61%
Lt Gen
2
2
100%
Lt Gen (HAG+)
23
0
0.00%
Total
1246
375

 

Slide 11

Comparative Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate

Period
Retired in Post OROP (1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015)
Rank
Total No. of pensioners
No. of pensioners getting less than OROP rate
%
Sep
291
122
41.92
Naik
3099
308
9.94
Hav
25839
3557
13.77
Naib Sub
12910
12307
95.33
Sub
9986
9843
98.57
Sub Major
1151
948
82.36
Total
53276
27085

 

Slide 12

Comparative Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate

Period
Retired in Post OROP (1.1.2016 to March 2019)
Rank
Total No. of pensioners
No. of pensioners getting less than OROP rate
%
Sep
3510
70
1.99
Naik
18383
107
0.58
Hav
102714
308
0.30
Naib Sub
29596
23425
79.15
Sub
23319
22555
96.72
Sub Major
3243
2182
67.28
Total
180765
48647

 

Slide 13

Sepoy Group ‘Y’
QS
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
Beneficial amount
15
6665
17130
18275
16
6665
17130
15173
OROP beneficial
1957
17
6665
17130
15557
OROP beneficial
1573
18
6698
17214
18207
19
6783
17433
18378
20
6875
17669
19060
21
6875
17669
15613
OROP beneficial
2056
22
6875
17669
18150

 

Slide 14

Naik Group ‘Y’
QS
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
Beneficial amount
17
7170
18427
19832
18
7170
18427
20307
19
7170
18427
20269
20
7170
18427
20582
21
7170
18427
20213
22
7170
18427
19107
23.5
7170
18427
20157
24
7170
18427
20438

 

Slide 15

Havildar Group ‘Y’
QS
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
Beneficial amount
17
7598
19527
20907
18
7598
19527
21101
19
7693
19772
21407
20
7795
20034
21207
22
7795
20034
21950
24
7808
20067
21207
25
7808
20067
20463
26
7995
20548
20850
26.5
7995
20548
20325
OROP beneficial
223
35
22225
36
22500
37
22800
38
22200

 

Slide 16

Nb Subedar Group ‘Y’
QS
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
Beneficial amount
22
9005
23143
24125
22.5
9338
23999
24125
23
9338
23999
24125
23.5
9338
23999
24475
24
9429
24233
24175
OROP beneficial
58
24.5
9652
24806
23550
OROP beneficial
1256
25
9733
25014
23550
OROP beneficial
1464
25.5
9946
25562
23550
OROP beneficial
2012
26
10405
26741
24250
OROP beneficial
2491
26.5
10415
26767
24175
OROP beneficial
2592
27
10415
26767
23825
OROP beneficial
2942
27.5.
10577
27183
25375
OROP beneficial
1808
28
10742
27607
18050
OROP beneficial
9557

 

Slide 17

Subedar Group ‘Y’
QS
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
Beneficial amount
17
7598
19527
20907
18
7598
19527
21101
19
7693
19772
21407
20
7795
20034
21207
22
7795
20034
21950
24
7808
20067
21207
25
7808
20067
20463
26
7995
20548
20850
26.5
7995
20548
20325
OROP beneficial
223
35
22225
36
22500
37
22800
38
22200

 

Slide 18
Subedar Major Group ‘Y’
QS
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
Beneficial amount
24
12565
32293
33100
25
12565
32293
30700
OROP beneficial
1593
26
12565
32293
30700
OROP beneficial
1593
27
12565
32293
32500
28
12757
32786
31725
OROP beneficial
1061
29
13045
33526
30400
OROP beneficial
3126
30
13045
33526
33625
31
13045
33526
31725
OROP beneficial
1801
32
13045
33526
32225
OROP beneficial
1301
33
13045
33526
33250
OROP beneficial
276
36
31900

 

Slide 19

 

Major
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
16
1
21530
55333
47950
7383
21
1
22830
58674
47950
10724
21.5
1
22830
58674
68550
Not beneficial
22.5
1
23815
61205
47950
13225
24.5
1
23815
61205
53000
8205
Slide 20
Lt Col
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
20
2
31305
80454
80100
354
21
13
31713
81503
83575
Not beneficial
22
11
32428
83340
82300
1040
23
7
32428
83340
86825
Not beneficial
24
10
32428
83340
89300
Not beneficial
34
11
34765
89347
81800
7547

 

Slide 21

Colonel
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
28
6
35230
90452
100900
Not beneficial
29
9
35235
90554
10900
Not beneficial
30
11
36130
92855
102350
Not beneficial
31
10
36130
92855
103700
Not beneficial
32
26
36130
92855
103700
Not beneficial
33
16
36130
92855
95000
Not beneficial
Slide 22

 

 

Brigadier
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
32
3
37280
95810
105850
Not beneficial
33
8
37570
96555
108800
Not beneficial
33.5
9
37570
96555
107350
Not beneficial
34
16
37570
96555
107350
Not beneficial
34.5
17
37570
96555
108800
Not beneficial
35
15
37570
96555
107350
Not beneficial

 

Slide 23
Colonel (TS)
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
28.5
12
35230
90542
100900
Not beneficial
29
19
35235
90554
100900
Not beneficial
30
33
36130
92855
100900
Not beneficial
30.5
45
36130
92855
100900
Not beneficial
31
38
36130
92855
102250
Not beneficial
32
45
36130
92855
103700
Not beneficial
33
39
36130
92855
103700
Not beneficial

 

Slide 24
Maj Gen
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
36
6
38763
99621
109100
Not beneficial
36.5
13
38763
99621
107500
Not beneficial
37
17
38763
99621
109100
Not beneficial
37.5
10
38763
99621
107500
Not beneficial
38
3
38763
99621
109100
Not beneficial
Slide 25
Lt Gen
QS
Count
OROP rate
OROP x 2.57
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
Whether OROP beneficial
39
1
39500
101515
112050
Not beneficial
Army Cdr
38.5
2
40000
102800
112500
Not beneficial
VCOAS
39
1
40000
102800
112500
Not beneficial
Lt Gen (HAG+)
37.5
3
40000
102800
112200
Not beneficial
Slide 26
Effect of Modification dated 18 Aug 2010 on 7th CPC
Rank & Group
Hav “Y”
QS=24
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
Sub “Y”
QS=28
Sub Maj “Y”
QS=30
5th CPC
Pay Scale
3600-100-5100
5620-140-8140
6600-170-9320
7250-200-10050
Class Allow
50+50+50
Last Pat drawn
4400
6180
7280
8250
Pay for pension (Max of py scale)
5100
8140
9320
10050
Pension= Max of pay scale + 50% of highest class allowance/2 x QS + weightage /33
QS
24
26
28
30
Pension calculation
5100+75/2 x 24=5/33
8140/2 x 26+5/33
9320/2 x 28+5/33
10050/2 x 30+5/33
Pension
2274
3824
4660
5025
Slide 27
6th CPC
Hav “Y”
QS=24
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
Sub “Y”
QS=28
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
Pay Band
PB-1 (5200-20200
PB-II (9300-34800
PB-II 9300-34800
PB-11 9300-34800
Grade Pay
2800
4200
4600
4800
MSP
2000
2000
2000
2000
Group “X” Pay
1400
Classification Allow (100+100+100)
100
Pay in Pay Band
8190
11970
14100
16590
Last Pay drawn (total)
13090
18170
20700
24790
Pension = Last pay +MSP+GP+Gp X Pay + actual classification x 50%
Pension formulation as per 6th CPC
6545
9085
10350
12395
Pension as per MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three services in fitment table for 6th CPC corresponding to the maximum of 5th CPC pay scale for rank & group last held
Emoluments for pension across the three services as per Mod 18.8.2010
15210
21350
23940
27180
Pension (formulation as per MoD dt 18.8.2010)
7375
10029
11970
13590
Pension beneficial between two formulations
7375
10029
11970
13590
OROP rate as on 1.7.2014
7808
10405
12268
14140
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
20067
25741
31529
36340
Slide 28
7th CPC
Hav “Y”
QS=24
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
Sub “Y”
QS=28
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
Pay Level in Pay Matrix
L-05
L-06
L-07
L-08
Pay in Pay Matrix
37000
43600
50500
60400
MSP
5200
5200
5200
5200
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
450
Group “X” Pay
Last pay drawn (total)
42650
48800
55700
65600
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
21325
24400
27850
32800
If methodology for calculation of Pension proposed in the same line of MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three services in pay matrix of 7th CPC corresponding to fitment table for 6th CPC which was earlier corresponding to maximum of 5th CPC pay scale for rank & group last held
Emoluments for pension across the three services processed in the same line of MoD dt 18.8.2010
34900
50500
56900
62200
MSP
5200
5200
5200
5200
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
450
Group “X” Pay
3600
Notional emolument for pension max across three services
40550
55700
62100
71000
Pension as per proposed formulation
19661
26163
31050
35500
Pension beneficial between the two formulations
21325
26163
31050
35500
OROP rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
20067
26741
31520
36340
Slide 29
Rank, Group & QS
Comparison in various proposals
Hav “Y”
QS=24
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
Sub “Y”
QS=28
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
20067
26741
31529
36340
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
21325
24400
27850
32800
Pension as proposed on MoD order dated 18 Aug 2010
19661
26163
31050
35500
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
21207
24250
30825
35425
Slide 30
Rank & QS
Comparison in various proposals
Major
QS=24
Lt Col
QS=26
Colonel
QS=28
Brigadier
QS=30
Maj Gen
QS=35
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
61205
84430
90542
95797
99621
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
53000
94100
103650
107300
109100
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
53000
94100
100900
105850
109100
Slide 31
THANKS

 

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