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    With reference to following details . Whether he is eligible two MACP's or One MACP.

    Date of appt: 1978 as Supr-III (3rd CPC Scale= 380-560 & V CPC
    SCALE = 4000)
    1st promotion in 1981 as CM-II ( 5000 Scale)

    Wef 1.1.1986 the two scales & posts are merged in to 5000 scale with
    the post of CM-II
    2nd Promotion in 1996 as CM-I ( 5500 scale)
    3rd Promotion in 2002 as AF (6500 Scale)

    Now wef 1.9.2008 whether the individual is eligible two MACPs. Becasue wef 1.1.86 the two posts are merged in to CM-II , hence promotion got between two merged scale before implemenataion of revised pay rules the same may be merged in to one post to be ignored for the purpose of ACP as clarified at point of doubt SL.NO 1 vide ltr.No:F.No.35034/1/97-Estt(D)(Vol.IV) dt: 10.2.2000 . Whether the same rule is applicable for the grant of MACP. If applicable, the indiviudal got promted from SUP-III to CM-II to be ignored for the purpose of MACP OR for the purpose of granting MACP only count present carring GP.
    Kindly clarify.

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    With reference to following details . Whether he is eligible two MACP's or One MACP.

    Date of appt: 1978 as Supr-III (3rd CPC Scale= 380-560 & V CPC
    SCALE = 4000)
    1st promotion in 1981 as CM-II ( 5000 Scale)

    Wef 1.1.1986 the two scales & posts are merged in to 5000 scale with
    the post of CM-II
    2nd Promotion in 1996 as CM-I ( 5500 scale)
    3rd Promotion in 2002 as AF (6500 Scale)

    Now wef 1.9.2008 whether the individual is eligible two MACPs. Becasue wef 1.1.86 the two posts are merged in to CM-II , hence promotion got between two merged scale before implemenataion of revised pay rules the same may be ignored for the purpose of ACP as clarified at point of doubt SL.NO 1 vide ltr.No:F.No.35034/1/97-Estt(D)(Vol.IV) dt: 10.2.2000 . Whether the same rule is applicable for the grant of MACP. If applicable, the indiviudal got promted from SUP-III to CM-II to be ignored for the purpose of MACP OR for the purpose of granting MACP only count present carring GP.
    Kindly clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASU View Post
    With reference to following details . Whether he is eligible two MACP's or One MACP.

    Date of appt: 1978 as Supr-III (3rd CPC Scale= 380-560 & V CPC
    SCALE = 4000)
    1st promotion in 1981 as CM-II ( 5000 Scale)

    Wef 1.1.1986 the two scales & posts are merged in to 5000 scale with
    the post of CM-II
    2nd Promotion in 1996 as CM-I ( 5500 scale)
    3rd Promotion in 2002 as AF (6500 Scale)

    Now wef 1.9.2008 whether the individual is eligible two MACPs. Becasue wef 1.1.86 the two posts are merged in to CM-II , hence promotion got between two merged scale before implemenataion of revised pay rules the same may be merged in to one post to be ignored for the purpose of ACP as clarified at point of doubt SL.NO 1 vide ltr.No:F.No.35034/1/97-Estt(D)(Vol.IV) dt: 10.2.2000 . Whether the same rule is applicable for the grant of MACP. If applicable, the indiviudal got promted from SUP-III to CM-II to be ignored for the purpose of MACP OR for the purpose of granting MACP only count present carring GP.
    Kindly clarify.
    As per my understanding you are entitle for two more upgradation with effect from 01/09/2008 as you got only one promotion within 30 years (from 4200 GP to 4600 GP).From 2008(after complition of 30 years) you are entitle for 5400/- GP.Congratulations.

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    Default Macp

    Merger of scales or upgradations are not considered as promotion

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    Merger of scales or upgradations are not considered as promotion.

    Sir, whether the same point is available in MACP order.

    Sir, I know only, as per Para-5 of MACP order dt: 19.5.2009 , promotion/upgradation granted earlier, now carrying the same grade pay is only ignored for the purpose of granting under MACP . So, SUP-III post carriyng now Grade pay 2400 and CM-II post now carrying grade pay 4200. whether the promtion got from Supervisor to CM-II is to be ignored ? My doubt is that this two posts are merged at 1.1.86 and the same is to be ignored for the purpose of ACP as per POINT of doubt SL.NO.1 , but the granting of MACP/under MACP , this two posts (SUPR & CM-II) now carrying different grade pay whether this promtoin is to be ignored even after merger of payscales of SUP post and CM-II.

    Furhther as per para 3 of MACP order clearly mentioned as "This Scheme(MACP) is in supersession of previous ACP Scheme and clarifications issued there under".

    Now Point of Doubt SL.NO 1 of ACP is STILL VALID.

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    Dear Shri Vasu

    It is not clear from your query whether the post of Sup-III exists today with GP 2400.

    Assuming that the post no longer exists and stands merged with the scale of 5000-8000 and also that the present promotees have got the scale of 5000-8000 directly without going through the 4000-6000 scale, then you are eligible for 3rd MACP to 5400 GP in PB2 on completion of 30 years.

    Any further queries are welcome.

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    Victor
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    Those appointed as T/S III, merged with T/S II and later merged with C/M II and further merged as C/M are in the GP 4200 on initial appointment and then subsequent upgradations after 10,20, 30 years would be 4600,4800 and 5400.

    This is my humble opinion (based on my departmental cases).


    RK Rao

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    Sir, Thanks for both for clear clarification.

    Now , No recruitment in the post of Supervisor-III and Only direct appointement is avalable to the post of CM-II.

    Further one more situation/doubt is available in the same heirarchy.

    Another individual appointed as Sup-III wef 1977 and Re-appointed as CM-II wef 1982 as direct recruitee in the same department but in the sub organization and subsequently promoted as CM-I (5500 SCALE) in 1996 and AF (6500 SCALE) in 2002. The same scienario is , the sup-III & CM-II scales are merged wef 1.1.1986 with the post of CM-II.

    Now in MACP the service counts from intial appointment (Supervisor-III) OR later appointment (CM-II) , since both posts scales are merged wef 1.1.1986 as CM-II .

    (DATE OF BIRTH = 1981) and wef 1.9.2008 under MACP , eligble for two MACPs OR one MACP.

    Kindly clarifiy.

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    Small correction .THE 2nd APPOINTMENT (CM-II ) is in the same department.

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    Respected seniors,
    My friend was posted on 1980 in 5000/-scale.
    in 1986 promoted to 5500/-scale
    in 1993 promoted to 6500/-scale
    in 2002 promoted to 7450/-scale.
    From 1/1/06 4600/- gp was granted.from 1/1/08 4800/-gp was granted as 2nd upgradation and now going to give 5400/-gp as completed 30 years service.
    My doubt is whether the staff is entitle the gp of 4800/- or not from 1/1/06 as per previous ACP scheame as he is completed more than 24 years and availed only one promotion after ignoring the promotion with in the merged scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaleelethiyil View Post
    Respected seniors,
    My friend was posted on 1980 in 5000/-scale.
    in 1986 promoted to 5500/-scale
    in 1993 promoted to 6500/-scale
    in 2002 promoted to 7450/-scale.
    From 1/1/06 4600/- gp was granted.from 1/1/08 4800/-gp was granted as 2nd upgradation and now going to give 5400/-gp as completed 30 years service.
    My doubt is whether the staff is entitle the gp of 4800/- or not from 1/1/06 as per previous ACP scheame as he is completed more than 24 years and availed only one promotion after ignoring the promotion with in the merged scale.

    During the period 1/1/2006 to 31/8/2008, the old ACP Scheme of 1999 along with the clarifications issued would be applicable in the revised pay structure.

    As per the clarifications issued under the old ACP Scheme, Clarification No. 1 & 41 (http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/...D)(Vol.IV).htm & http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/...Vol.IV)-II.htm), which are attracted in this case, appear to be contradictory. So DOPT may have to issue a suitable clarification for admissibility of ACP in the revised pay structure consequent to merger of scales on the recommendations of the 6CPC.

    However, even if the scales are merged in the revised pay structure but the hierarchy continues with Post A & B in the same Grade Pay, then no additional benefits would be admissible. This is due to the fact that ACP Scheme is to be allowed as per the hierarchy existing after merger of scales.

    Victor

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaleelethiyil View Post
    Respected seniors,
    My friend was posted on 1980 in 5000/-scale.
    in 1986 promoted to 5500/-scale
    in 1993 promoted to 6500/-scale
    in 2002 promoted to 7450/-scale.
    From 1/1/06 4600/- gp was granted.from 1/1/08 4800/-gp was granted as 2nd upgradation and now going to give 5400/-gp as completed 30 years service.
    My doubt is whether the staff is entitle the gp of 4800/- or not from 1/1/06 as per previous ACP scheame as he is completed more than 24 years and availed only one promotion after ignoring the promotion with in the merged scale.
    Dear Friend,

    The scales of 6500 and 7450 were merged and assigned the GP of 4600 w.e.f. 01.01.2006. Similarly the scales of 5000 and 5500 were merged and granted the GP of 4200. Your friend, therefore, had effectively earned only one promotion for the purpose of reckoning the eligible number of upgradations under MACPS of 19th May 2009. As on 01.09.2008 the date of implementation of MACPS, your friend completed 28 years of service in the entry grade and earned only one promotion for the purpose of upgradation under MACPS. The 2nd upgradation to the GP of 4800 was eligible from 01.09.2008. The 3rd upgradation to 5400 will be admissible only on completion of 30 years of service.

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    I agree with Mr Venkat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    During the period 1/1/2006 to 31/8/2008, the old ACP Scheme of 1999 along with the clarifications issued would be applicable in the revised pay structure.

    As per the clarifications issued under the old ACP Scheme, Clarification No. 1 & 41 (http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/...D)(Vol.IV).htm & http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/...Vol.IV)-II.htm), which are attracted in this case, appear to be contradictory. So DOPT may have to issue a suitable clarification for admissibility of ACP in the revised pay structure consequent to merger of scales on the recommendations of the 6CPC.


    However, even if the scales are merged in the revised pay structure but the hierarchy continues with Post A & B in the same Grade Pay, then no additional benefits would be admissible. This is due to the fact that ACP Scheme is to be allowed as per the hierarchy existing after merger of scales.

    Victor
    Thanks to Victorsir,Venkatsir and Pathaksir,
    As mentioned in above reply as gp of promotion cadre and next gp happened to be same in this case,it will not make much difference.But if the merger of scale as per 6th cpc is considered for granding previous ACP scheame between 1/1/06 and 1/9/08,present case staff have to get 4800/- gp from 1/1/06 as per my understanding from above reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaleelethiyil View Post
    Thanks to Victorsir,Venkatsir and Pathaksir,
    As mentioned in above reply as gp of promotion cadre and next gp happened to be same in this case,it will not make much difference.But if the merger of scale as per 6th cpc is considered for granding previous ACP scheame between 1/1/06 and 1/9/08,present case staff have to get 4800/- gp from 1/1/06 as per my understanding from above reply.
    Dear Friend,

    Upgradations could be granted under ACP Scheme of 09.08.1999 upto 31.08.2008 if eligible. In the case of your friend, as on 31.08.2008, three promotions have already been earned and he was not eligible for any further upgradtions under the scheme of ACP. The remedy for the anomaly arising out of merger of posts/pay scales by SCPC is only available in the MACP Scheme of 19th May 2009. Under this scheme, the promotions earned before 31.08.2008 between the merged grades which now carry the same grade pay shall be ignored for grant of upgradation under MACPS w.e.f. 01.09.2008.

    This provision of para 5 of Annexure to MACP Scheme of 19th May 2009 will become redundant, if the promotions/upgradations earned before 01.09.2008 between merged grades of SCPC could be ignored for granting upgradations under ACP Scheme of 09.08.1999.

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    As per macps order point no 8 the post merged in 6cpc, the promotion earned before 1.1.06 is counted for the purpose of macps, whereas in 5cpc the pay scale is merged it may ignored and awarded next scale of pay. How ever under 6cpc the scale is repaced by grade pay, without getting promotion earned acps only it may ignored for the purpose of granting macps pt no 5

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